trenchkamen: (In the end)
[personal profile] trenchkamen
I am beyond furious right now. I'm actually shaking a little bit.

Prop 102 passed. It actually PASSED.

And it looks like Prop 8 might actually pass in California.

Of course I'm stoked that Obama won (YES WE CAN, AMERICA, AND WE DID), but the bigotry and hatred and fear and homophobia my state and my closest neighbor (both in location and in terms of how many friends I have there) have displayed today is almost making me physically sick. Electing Obama is a huge step forward for the entire nation, but GOD this is a huge blow.

I cannot imagine the fear and despair same-sex married couples in California must feel right now watching their neighbors vote that they have no right to be married, to vote that they want to rip their marriage licenses out of their hands. It's sick. It's beyond wrong in a way Prop 102 is not, as prop 102 is not revoking rights already rewarded. It shows a greater level of dedication to bigotry.

Shame, Arizona and California. SHAME.

I'm proud of the nation as a whole for electing Obama (Arizona still elected McCain, but I'm not nearly as pissed about that as I am about Prop 102), but I'm still overcome by an overwhelming sense of rage and despair.

This is not the end. We will never, ever, ever give up, not until justice is served. No matter how many times conservative bigots try to deny equal rights, no matter how long it takes, I and my fellow LGBT allies and friends will not give up.

(no subject)

Date: 2008-11-05 07:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miwasatoshi.livejournal.com
Two steps forward, one step back. :(

Be strong.

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Date: 2008-11-05 08:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] impure-impulse.livejournal.com
It hurts. As a person living the outcome, I won't deny that.

I'm glad to see some optimism for the future, though, since I don't have much of my own at the moment.

At least one thing went right tonight, right?

[high five]

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Date: 2008-11-05 10:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ja-baby-ja.livejournal.com
That's so fucking awful :s What a horrible, bitter aftertaste to an otherwise awesome election result.

What recourse is there, after this? I admit I don't know all that much about different types of legislation in the US, and about how far they can be challenged etc.

Keep on fighting; good will come eventually. Hope from the UK - it's not great, but progress has been made, and even people, politicians and parties who supported the idea of never telling kids anything about homosexuality ever in case they catch The Dreaded Gay are starting to come round. So hopefully things will start to change soon in the US, too. My thoughts and any support I can give are with LGBTQ USAnians :s

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Date: 2008-11-05 02:09 pm (UTC)
feuervogel: (black haru)
From: [personal profile] feuervogel
Until the laws change so that civil rights are not up for popular fucking vote, we're pretty much doomed. If in 1968, the abolition of Jim Crow laws had been on the ballot, it would have failed. It required Congressional and Supreme Court action to secure equal fucking rights for people with a different shade of skin color, who make up about 1/4 of the country. It's gonna need the same to secure equal rights for people who comprise about 10% of the population.

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Date: 2008-11-06 12:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ja-baby-ja.livejournal.com
Thanks for this, even if it is bad news. I can't even fathom what goes through people's minds when they think, you know what, let's not give some types of people civil rights! You can't just fucking pick and choose who gets human rights. It's deeply frightening and angering and fucked up, and I really hope that the USA takes the necessary steps against this decision sooner rather than later.

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Date: 2008-11-05 12:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shahni.livejournal.com
For a beautiful evening to be brought down like this-- it just-- god damnit, I'm hurting too much to be coherent, but we were so close.

Going with Rhi... yeah. One thing went right tonight.

This just scares me. If I can't be given the right to make the choice I want in my married life, then I have nothing. My religion won't give me that freedom, my culture won't-- and now, this country won't.

This hurts so much.

(no subject)

Date: 2008-11-05 01:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] biocaam.livejournal.com
MAN, THAT SUCKS. D<
I'm glad that I found out today, though, and not last night--I was ecstatic. Fuck yeah Obama.

But that sucks. California's one of the most liberal states, so I wonder how the hell that got passed? I don't know much about Arizona, so I can't make any calls there.

But my deepest condolences. Don't ever give up, guys! ~

-^coming from a straight gal^-

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Date: 2008-11-05 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] penguinfaery.livejournal.com
Look, this is how I think of it. 10, heck, 5 years ago if wouldn't even hve been brought UP for vote. give it another 5 years and we'll get it through.a

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Date: 2008-11-05 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xcerebraledemax.livejournal.com
DUDE I heard about that last night on NPR. So it's true?! D:

And god I hope Cali does the right thing.

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Date: 2008-11-05 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyseiryuu.livejournal.com
I'll add a shame on Florida, too..... F%^&*%ing prop 2.

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Date: 2008-11-05 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] air-and-angels.livejournal.com
I'm so sorry about Proposition 8. That must be so deeply frustrating and disappointing, and it's terribly unfair to give the right and then take it away so quickly. (I hope this doesn't mean that marriages made while they were legal are invalidated.)
Here in NZ we have Civil Unions, which are not identical to a civil marriage but are available to any pair of adults regardless of gender. I think they're a step in the right direction. I hope that one day civil marriage will be available in that way - any couple should be able to have a registry-office/city hall type marriage, and be able to call it marriage, and have the same marital rights under law. I'm happy to leave it up to churches to decide whether to offer religious marriage to same-sex couples, but they need to recognise that people who DON'T follow their religion should not be barred by law from doing objectively harmless things forbidden by it.

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Date: 2008-11-05 11:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zoe-sama.livejournal.com
I've been thrilled about the Obama election all day (and Texas voted McCain too, but bah), but I have to say that popping onto LJ and seeing the yes on Prop 8 really kind of killed it a bit. My heart really goes out to those that are already married. It makes me sick.

I think I'm going to go Google a list of the saints and prod all of them to pray with me, then launch my massive prayer-ball at God for them. Might not do any good, but hell, it's something from over here in Texas. I might as well use my Catholic resources. XD

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Date: 2008-11-06 02:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexielnet.livejournal.com
I'm sad. I really am. I knew 102 was going to pass but at least it was by a smaller margin than I imagined. I had to stop reading the college paper opinions because they were such rubbish that I couldn't take it any more. "It's a scientific fact that only children with two good parents (read, white, middle class, Republican, Christian parents) will be able to love another person." Fuck you and fuck your "perfect family"! I am crushed by 8 though... It's not over.

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Date: 2008-11-06 03:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nekelele-one.livejournal.com
All I can say is that I hope it gets overturned soon. I don't care if they call it marriage, a civil union, anything, as long as it's the same for ALL of us, with all the rights and all the same terms.

One of my friends was going to come to California to get married in April. Now she can't. Until they overturn it, I can't. Sure, I can get married, and I know a certified minister who'd do it in an instant, but until this changes we're all screwed over. I just hope that all the 18,000 couples who've wed in California over the past several months keep all of their equal marital rights.

The worst part is, though, that I don't know what to do to make anything better.

(no subject)

Date: 2008-11-06 03:51 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Let's have them take this to the state Supreme Court.

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